Neo-Nazis or Neo-Nazi Weirdos sounds okay to me, although I think just plain Trumpers would do since their main characteristic is loyalty to Trump. Or how about Democracy Busters? Here's another one: Neo-Nazi Oligarchics.
I think we’re all used to ‘name-calling’ these days. My vote is nothing too nicknamed but rather accurate Neo-Nazis would be my vote. Also though how to emphasize that our government is under threat, the most, from the billionaire class - more than a culture war this is seemingly, to me now, more a class war. So is this the same war?
Good, thoughtful piece. You are on to something. Your writing spurred me to brainstorm some names. I just throw them out to you in alphabetical order. Good luck.
Anti-Democrats
Burn-It-Down Trumpers
Constitutional Arsonists
Coup Plotters
Dictator Sympathizers
Enemies of Democracy
Enemies of Freedom
Fascists (duh!)
Freedom Foes
Freedom-Hating Fascists
MASA (Make America Sane Again) Adherents (to describe anti-MAGAs)
Hang with me on this one, Jim. Your background at the White House and in big marketing is perfect for this messaging dilemma. The sounding board is highly sought here. Bob Panzer in this string suggested neo-Nazi sociopaths. I had to look up sociopath, and stumbled on psychopath to be dead on more accurate. I note that you have avoided the word neo-Nazi, and I remember clearly you teaching me what inflammatory in writing was and why I should not do that, circa 1985. I will post again on this with comments from here. What causes you to avoid neo-Nazi? (I am getting the drift now, due to your mentorship.)
This is a great exercise. I see where you are going and I will follow your lead. But it occurs to me that the easiest formulation may be something that it is already in the vernacular: There are Trumpers. And there are Never Trumpers. The term Trumpers encompasses 49.5 % of American voters and includes all manner of MAGA adherents of every stripe. The term Never Trumpers allows room for anyone, including disaffected Republicans (if there are any) to join the club. It seems to me that Trumpers include every one who pays him homage. On the other hand, Never Trumpers include anyone with a functioning brain who realizes the orange threat that awaits us. But as I say, I will support whatever consensus you can cobble together,
Neo-Nazi Sycophants. I know it's not on the list but that's what they all seem to be to me. Brainwashed Sycophant. I'll go with whatever the majority wants. Thank you
I like this article best of all you have written, Carl. Love the jazz, Buddy Holly, and other musical references.
Now, on to the "one name" area. My first choice would be 'neo-Nazi Facists" as I think it describes them well. For brevity I would like to use 'neo-Nazis's'.
I will use ANY term the group comes up with. It doesn't matter to me what we call them, but getting started soon is imperative. Started towards what, ? Well, I would like to see someone punch them in the face, smash their mouth, knock em on the ground, and sit on them. (Dont let them up).
I called them Talibangelicals for a long time after I labelled several members of my family that pre-Covid days.
I'm interested in what everyone thinks.
One common enemy name can be important, remember when they lost their minds over Waltz calling one of them " weird"! Ha!
Great one! It is more descriptive, and fascist is part of being a neo-Nazi. You were the tank! Can we look at one closer. Psychopaths by definition fits.
They are definitely neo-nazis. It's best to be precise, true, and impersonal. Name calling attracts rebuttal or is too easily dismissed. Naming claims power. Fascist has been abused, as has socialist and communist to the point that people literally don't understand what these words mean. Anyone who doesn't know what the Nazis did or stood for can Google it and it's perfectly clear what it means. Neo-nazis is like the word asshole. There's really no grey area and no confusion. And no sufficient comeback.
I think I love you. I had to drop the Nazi part. Psychopathic neo-fascists is where I am. The lack of empathy in psychopaths nails the mental disorder to them. The psycho and neo have to be married for it to be deadly accurate.
How stupid are poor working dummies who have been corralled by Trumpler and his billionaires?
Do they not ask themselves where the possible overlap is in what benefits the wealthy and what benefits them?
Do they not understand the 180-degree opposing interests of these polar opposite categories of people?
Do they not comprehend Trumpler, like Hitler, simply needed votes of the populous to hoist him into power — both times?
Well, he has it now - again. He’ll lie and say he’s helping them, but his moves will be classily self-serving for himself and the monied class. They’ll be elbow-deep in what remains of America’s treasure. It may feel good briefly, BUT WILL BE WINDOW DRESSING and PURE LIES. His moves will cause long-term national loss and pain and deeper-than-ever wealth shift from the many to the very very few.
Remember the 6x bankrupt con-man? He’s a mirage, a carnival-barking grifter, a self-serving liar through and through.
I cannot believe the overlay with Adolf. So much in common in their respective rises. Twice!
"The problem is the groups here do not know what they are actually representing. If you told them they are espousing Nazi doctrine and are hence a neo-Nazi, they will be stunned. I advocate stunning, in the face." Trust me, I've tried including with family members. They get irritated and say, "You don't know what you're talking about! We're Christian Nationalists! That has nothing to do with Nazis!" The other response is, "We're racialists, not racists. We believe that every race has unique characteristics that should be preserved" and also, "Jews control most of the media. You'll see how white people are virtually all in interracial relationships in commercials [true]. But you don't see that with Jewish people on TV."
I agree with you. And I posted further on the subject. The Nazi part is not sticking across the board. Christian Nationalists are fascists and have joined every fascist regime. Always Christian Nationalists are the major part of the fascist power apparatus. There is no larger fascist group. If they join with a fascist dictator-wannabe, they are fascists by definition. The real problem is that most people, like you note in your family, do not know what Fascism is. https://hotbuttons.substack.com/p/christian-right-demands-dictatorship?r=3m1bs
Or they know the term (brother is autistic, IQ is over 150, college degree in Poli Sci, worked as a janitor ever since), but say that it doesn't apply to what's going on in the United States right now.
They don’t know that it is an Italian word, and that Mussolini wrote its doctrines in his book. The family and many others are in an alternate reality with extreme denialism. Here is a brief history of modern fascism. https://hotbuttons.substack.com/p/dictatorship-is-choreographed?r=3m1bs
Actually, I think my brother is fully aware of the meaning of fascist: "sticks [it included workers, but who else?] bundled into one bunch" -- i.e., the great leader, Mussolini.
Fascist Neo-Nazis. I agree we must approach this as an enemy occupation. We are fighting a common enemy. I recommend everyone watch "Number 24" on Netflix about the Nazi occupation of Norway. We must become the Resistance to these Neo-Nazis who want to overthrow our democracy.
Neo-Nazis is already mentally defined in people’s minds as skinheads and white nationalist militia types.
While in many ways, I think neo-Nazi is the strongest of your options so far, I think using that term might cause many to reject the idea. At least right now before we see what Trump does in this term, it will not make sense to most people. Fascist has become overused and confused.
Anything related to Trump in the name just adds to his branding. Plus, it doesn’t have the clear association with something malevolent for way too many people. I think you’re on the right track, but I don’t have the right word to throw in.
I agree with your first gut reaction. This will be a learning exercise for us all. The confusion with skinheads is a personal problem for those afflicted. It is not mine. It is not yours. I never made that association since I see neo fascism as the precursor to a fascist state. We are on that path. The adjective psychopathic tempers and focuses neo-fascism. We cannot separate the two terms psychopathic neo-fascists (in their name, in my opinion). I mostly see the total lack of empathy as the dividing line. There is a mental disorder assigned by the word psychopathic. So I think both terms are a requisite to the name calling. They earned this.
Neo-Nazis or Neo-Nazi Weirdos sounds okay to me, although I think just plain Trumpers would do since their main characteristic is loyalty to Trump. Or how about Democracy Busters? Here's another one: Neo-Nazi Oligarchics.
I think we’re all used to ‘name-calling’ these days. My vote is nothing too nicknamed but rather accurate Neo-Nazis would be my vote. Also though how to emphasize that our government is under threat, the most, from the billionaire class - more than a culture war this is seemingly, to me now, more a class war. So is this the same war?
Fascist ______ anything. My preferences, fascist maga morons, fascist fuckfaces, fascist friggin fools, fascist fuhhhhhhhgetaboutit’s.
Whatever the winner, it should highlight their most vulgar and immoral ingredient, fascism.
Good, thoughtful piece. You are on to something. Your writing spurred me to brainstorm some names. I just throw them out to you in alphabetical order. Good luck.
Anti-Democrats
Burn-It-Down Trumpers
Constitutional Arsonists
Coup Plotters
Dictator Sympathizers
Enemies of Democracy
Enemies of Freedom
Fascists (duh!)
Freedom Foes
Freedom-Hating Fascists
MASA (Make America Sane Again) Adherents (to describe anti-MAGAs)
Reactionary Rebels
The Trump Faction
Trump extremists
Trump fanatics
Trump firebrands or Trump Flamethrowers
Trump mutineers
Trump reactionaries
Trump Tyrants
Trump zealots
Trumpists or Trumpers
Tyrannous Know-Nothings
Hang with me on this one, Jim. Your background at the White House and in big marketing is perfect for this messaging dilemma. The sounding board is highly sought here. Bob Panzer in this string suggested neo-Nazi sociopaths. I had to look up sociopath, and stumbled on psychopath to be dead on more accurate. I note that you have avoided the word neo-Nazi, and I remember clearly you teaching me what inflammatory in writing was and why I should not do that, circa 1985. I will post again on this with comments from here. What causes you to avoid neo-Nazi? (I am getting the drift now, due to your mentorship.)
This is a great exercise. I see where you are going and I will follow your lead. But it occurs to me that the easiest formulation may be something that it is already in the vernacular: There are Trumpers. And there are Never Trumpers. The term Trumpers encompasses 49.5 % of American voters and includes all manner of MAGA adherents of every stripe. The term Never Trumpers allows room for anyone, including disaffected Republicans (if there are any) to join the club. It seems to me that Trumpers include every one who pays him homage. On the other hand, Never Trumpers include anyone with a functioning brain who realizes the orange threat that awaits us. But as I say, I will support whatever consensus you can cobble together,
Neo-Nazi Sycophants. I know it's not on the list but that's what they all seem to be to me. Brainwashed Sycophant. I'll go with whatever the majority wants. Thank you
I like this article best of all you have written, Carl. Love the jazz, Buddy Holly, and other musical references.
Now, on to the "one name" area. My first choice would be 'neo-Nazi Facists" as I think it describes them well. For brevity I would like to use 'neo-Nazis's'.
I will use ANY term the group comes up with. It doesn't matter to me what we call them, but getting started soon is imperative. Started towards what, ? Well, I would like to see someone punch them in the face, smash their mouth, knock em on the ground, and sit on them. (Dont let them up).
I called them Talibangelicals for a long time after I labelled several members of my family that pre-Covid days.
I'm interested in what everyone thinks.
One common enemy name can be important, remember when they lost their minds over Waltz calling one of them " weird"! Ha!
I agree with you, Sandra. The “weirdo”wording is too kind even for me.
neo-Nazi fascists.
Two votes. Two very important votes.
Neo-Nazi Sociopaths
Great one! It is more descriptive, and fascist is part of being a neo-Nazi. You were the tank! Can we look at one closer. Psychopaths by definition fits.
I'm with you Sandra. My choice is Neo-Nazi Fascists. I also like acronyms. Here's one. M.A.D. Malignant Authoritarian Demagogues.
They are definitely neo-nazis. It's best to be precise, true, and impersonal. Name calling attracts rebuttal or is too easily dismissed. Naming claims power. Fascist has been abused, as has socialist and communist to the point that people literally don't understand what these words mean. Anyone who doesn't know what the Nazis did or stood for can Google it and it's perfectly clear what it means. Neo-nazis is like the word asshole. There's really no grey area and no confusion. And no sufficient comeback.
I think I love you. I had to drop the Nazi part. Psychopathic neo-fascists is where I am. The lack of empathy in psychopaths nails the mental disorder to them. The psycho and neo have to be married for it to be deadly accurate.
How stupid are poor working dummies who have been corralled by Trumpler and his billionaires?
Do they not ask themselves where the possible overlap is in what benefits the wealthy and what benefits them?
Do they not understand the 180-degree opposing interests of these polar opposite categories of people?
Do they not comprehend Trumpler, like Hitler, simply needed votes of the populous to hoist him into power — both times?
Well, he has it now - again. He’ll lie and say he’s helping them, but his moves will be classily self-serving for himself and the monied class. They’ll be elbow-deep in what remains of America’s treasure. It may feel good briefly, BUT WILL BE WINDOW DRESSING and PURE LIES. His moves will cause long-term national loss and pain and deeper-than-ever wealth shift from the many to the very very few.
Remember the 6x bankrupt con-man? He’s a mirage, a carnival-barking grifter, a self-serving liar through and through.
I cannot believe the overlay with Adolf. So much in common in their respective rises. Twice!
Let’s see about the fall…
GRUMPOLINI AMERINAZIS
BASIS IS - LEADER TO PURGE - TRUMP IS A GRUMP WHO REMINDS ME OF MUSSOLINI; AND HE NOW LEADS THE AMERICAN VERSION OF ADOLF HITLER'S NAZI INFESTATIONS
"The problem is the groups here do not know what they are actually representing. If you told them they are espousing Nazi doctrine and are hence a neo-Nazi, they will be stunned. I advocate stunning, in the face." Trust me, I've tried including with family members. They get irritated and say, "You don't know what you're talking about! We're Christian Nationalists! That has nothing to do with Nazis!" The other response is, "We're racialists, not racists. We believe that every race has unique characteristics that should be preserved" and also, "Jews control most of the media. You'll see how white people are virtually all in interracial relationships in commercials [true]. But you don't see that with Jewish people on TV."
I agree with you. And I posted further on the subject. The Nazi part is not sticking across the board. Christian Nationalists are fascists and have joined every fascist regime. Always Christian Nationalists are the major part of the fascist power apparatus. There is no larger fascist group. If they join with a fascist dictator-wannabe, they are fascists by definition. The real problem is that most people, like you note in your family, do not know what Fascism is. https://hotbuttons.substack.com/p/christian-right-demands-dictatorship?r=3m1bs
Or they know the term (brother is autistic, IQ is over 150, college degree in Poli Sci, worked as a janitor ever since), but say that it doesn't apply to what's going on in the United States right now.
They don’t know that it is an Italian word, and that Mussolini wrote its doctrines in his book. The family and many others are in an alternate reality with extreme denialism. Here is a brief history of modern fascism. https://hotbuttons.substack.com/p/dictatorship-is-choreographed?r=3m1bs
Actually, I think my brother is fully aware of the meaning of fascist: "sticks [it included workers, but who else?] bundled into one bunch" -- i.e., the great leader, Mussolini.
You might appreciate this series.
https://hipcrime.substack.com/p/the-anatomy-of-neo-fascism-part-1
https://hipcrime.substack.com/p/the-anatomy-of-neo-fascism-part-2
https://hipcrime.substack.com/p/the-anatomy-of-neo-fascism-part-3
https://hipcrime.substack.com/p/the-anatomy-of-neo-fascism-final
Fascist Neo-Nazis. I agree we must approach this as an enemy occupation. We are fighting a common enemy. I recommend everyone watch "Number 24" on Netflix about the Nazi occupation of Norway. We must become the Resistance to these Neo-Nazis who want to overthrow our democracy.
Neo-Nazis is already mentally defined in people’s minds as skinheads and white nationalist militia types.
While in many ways, I think neo-Nazi is the strongest of your options so far, I think using that term might cause many to reject the idea. At least right now before we see what Trump does in this term, it will not make sense to most people. Fascist has become overused and confused.
Anything related to Trump in the name just adds to his branding. Plus, it doesn’t have the clear association with something malevolent for way too many people. I think you’re on the right track, but I don’t have the right word to throw in.
I agree with your first gut reaction. This will be a learning exercise for us all. The confusion with skinheads is a personal problem for those afflicted. It is not mine. It is not yours. I never made that association since I see neo fascism as the precursor to a fascist state. We are on that path. The adjective psychopathic tempers and focuses neo-fascism. We cannot separate the two terms psychopathic neo-fascists (in their name, in my opinion). I mostly see the total lack of empathy as the dividing line. There is a mental disorder assigned by the word psychopathic. So I think both terms are a requisite to the name calling. They earned this.
MASA and Maga are good.
Mean Anti Democrats or The MADs
Or call them Trumplers or Cheetos. (They follow trump the orange man and they cheat and lie.